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“Tech” Inserts Press Release from Dynafit

by Lou Dawson April 28, 2010
written by Lou Dawson

Editor’s note: To help clarify the tech boot fittings situation, we offer this PR from Dynafit. My copy wasn’t dated, but it’s current to a few days ago.

Press Release from Salewa/Dynafit
Dynafit Inserts – Important information

With reference to the recent announcement by Salomon that some of their boots are being recalled due to potential incompatibilities with low tech touring bindings (e.g. Dynafit, Onyx, ATK), Dynafit has been asked to clarify its position.

We wish to inform the public that Dynafit’s patent on “standard inserts” has expired and that several companies have developed and manufactured their own inserts. Dynafit cannot guarantee the quality of third-party inserts. Compatibility information are public info and available also at the TUV.

In addition Dynafit wishes to clarify that starting January 1st 2010, the company is not supplying Dynafit-developed and manufactured inserts to Garmont anymore. Dynafit “standard inserts” are available to companies upon request and are currently used only in boots carrying the Dynafit, Silvretta, Scarpa and Tecnica brands.

By contrast, Dyanfit’s innovative and patented “quick step-in” inserts are used both in Dyanfit boots and in Scarpa boots on an exclusive licensing basis.

Editor’s note continued:
In my view the important thing here is that the performance of a tech binding such as Dynafit or Onyx depends on the boot fittings being done correctly. Yet in all but the case of a few boot makers supplied with fittings by Dynafit, binding companies have no control over the boot fittings, and there is no international standard (ISO, DIN etc.) for the boot fittings.

When a tech binding fails due to bad boot fittings, the general public in my opinion will almost always blame it on the binding. Without a standard, such blame is difficult to correct. More, the situation works against the consumer as it makes problems much more difficult to trouble shoot (as in, is my boot popping out because of the binding or my fittings?).

As I’ve said before, the binding companies may have shot themselves in the foot on this one, since they didn’t work harder years ago to establish a tech fitting standard that boot makers could use to get the fittings right — and be held accountable for. The tech insert dimensions etc. are available at TUV (the testing and certification organization that verifies standards compliance), but how extensive that information is or how refined is in my view somewhat questionable when it comes to the shape of the boot toe inserts.

If you think it through, one has to wonder if a better business move by Dynafit over past decades would have been to supply fittings at their cost to any boot maker who asked. Hard to know, but an interesting thought, eh?

Lou Dawson

WildSnow.com publisher emeritus and founder Lou (Louis Dawson) has a 50+ years career in climbing, backcountry skiing and ski mountaineering. He was the first person in history to ski down all 54 Colorado 14,000-foot peaks, has authored numerous books about about backcountry skiing, and has skied from the summit of Denali in Alaska, North America’s highest mountain.

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PSA — Salomon’s Announcement re Weak Tech Fittings in Quest Boots

by Lou Dawson April 23, 2010
written by Lou Dawson

Wildsnowers, below is the official take from Salomon re the substandard tech fittings in their Quest backcountry skiing boots. I just got off the phone with them, and as I suspected they’ve been scrambling on this for several days but of course had to get their ducks in order before making an official announcement or recall. While this is a sad situation and appears to have already resulted in one injury, a plus is that according to Salomon there are only 13 pair of the Quest boots with tech inserts out in the wild (North America), and 14 sets of pads. They are making an effort to get every last one of those items returned (sans my testers of course), whether they still be at a retailer or in public hands. So if you know anyone with the Quest boot with tech inserts sole, encourage them to contact Salomon via the number below.

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WildSnow.com publisher emeritus and founder Lou (Louis Dawson) has a 50+ years career in climbing, backcountry skiing and ski mountaineering. He was the first person in history to ski down all 54 Colorado 14,000-foot peaks, has authored numerous books about about backcountry skiing, and has skied from the summit of Denali in Alaska, North America’s highest mountain.

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April 23, 2010 59 comments
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Dissecting the Salomon Quest Ski Boot Tech Fittings

by Lou Dawson April 22, 2010
written by Lou Dawson

Note: This post is left published for historical continuity. As of circa 2014 all Solomon boot tech fittings are improved and fine.

We’ll, I was hoping this would turn out better. But it looks like I’ll never get Solomon as an advertiser, and I’ll probably have to buy my review boots from now on. But my focus is on you guys, the readers backcountry skiers who I write for and who I thank so much for visiting here. Backstory: A few days ago it was reported that a man had taken a severe fall due to the tech fittings failing in his Salomon Quest ski boots. Knowing how strong tech fittings are (I’d never heard of any ripping out of a boot), I was skeptical at first. But I heard from the accident victim and his friends, and it sounded like their take was real. So I blogged from that POV, but hoped I’d be able to test the Salomon fittings myself. Thanks to our guest blogger Jonathan Shefftz, who found an online source, I bought some fittings a few days ago and had them Fedexed. Then they endured the WildSnow tear down. Here you go, a public service to save folks from injury if not death.

Salomon Quest inferior tech fittings research.

Ordered online via retail, the fittings came in prime time packaging. Elsewhere it's been said that any problems with the fittings were the result of pre-production samples being used. This doesn't look like a pre-production sample, and the fact that I could still buy them retail a few days ago is somewhat of a concern, as you'll see as you read on.

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WildSnow.com publisher emeritus and founder Lou (Louis Dawson) has a 50+ years career in climbing, backcountry skiing and ski mountaineering. He was the first person in history to ski down all 54 Colorado 14,000-foot peaks, has authored numerous books about about backcountry skiing, and has skied from the summit of Denali in Alaska, North America’s highest mountain.

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April 22, 2010 132 comments
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Does Salomon Quest AT Boot Have a Tech Fitting Installation/Design Defect?

by Lou Dawson April 18, 2010
written by Lou Dawson

(Updated due to comment feedback and new information.)

(We test these fittings.)

I got an email a few days ago from a guy who described how his friend had been injured from a fall the email writer said was instigated by his friend’s tech fittings pulling out of or being displaced from the toe of Salomon Quest ski boots. From the brief description and photo the emailer shared (no permission to share here), I was unsure of exactly what had occurred despite what was stated. But plenty of people are chiming in to the fact that the fall was indeed caused by the tech fittings being pulled out or displaced from the boot sole. In fact, I’ve even heard from the guy who took the fall and was injured, and he adamantly declares that the failure of his boot’s tech fittings caused his fall, so with all that in mind we’ll take the point of view that this is indeed what happened.

Judging from several photos of the boots I’ve now seen, the tech fittings in the boot toe were indeed deformed and pulled from the Salomon Quest boot sole. How and why would that happen? If you view photos of the Salomon Quest sole, as shown below, the tech fitting appears to be molded into the boot toe in such a way as to have little or no plastic below it, just sole rubber. This could be a very weak configuration that could cause the fitting to pull out during a fall or even while skiing normally.

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WildSnow.com publisher emeritus and founder Lou (Louis Dawson) has a 50+ years career in climbing, backcountry skiing and ski mountaineering. He was the first person in history to ski down all 54 Colorado 14,000-foot peaks, has authored numerous books about about backcountry skiing, and has skied from the summit of Denali in Alaska, North America’s highest mountain.

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April 18, 2010 42 comments
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Dalbello Virus Ski Mountaineering Boots

by Tyler Christoff April 16, 2010
written by Tyler Christoff

Whenever I head into the backcountry I know that I’m compromising some of my ski performance for the freedom of uphill travel. Obviously some hard charging performance, traded for the beauty, adventure, and untouched nature of the backcountry is a good deal; otherwise we all might be in the resort pounding iced over moguls. But.

There has always been a lot of talk about that “holy grail” of touring boots. Something that can walk and boot pack with minimal resistance and maximum cuff movement but ski like a high end alpine boot, all while not tipping the scale in an unfavorable direction. This past year Dalbello along with Glen Plake proudly announced that they had the answer. The new Dalbello Virus boot line would be based on previous iterations of Dalbello boots and what many of us call the old-school ‘flexon’ style tongue design. WildSnow got a copy of the Virus a while ago, and we’ve been passing them around for some real world testing. Time for some review action.

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Dalbello Virus

Dalbello Virus backcountry skiing boots. Interesting style and features.

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Tyler Christoff grew up ski racing. He raced at Syracuse University, making Nationals multiple years. A few years ago he moved to Aspen to pursue a different sort of skiing. Tyler has rapidly grown into a strong mountaineer, and has the perfect form that most skiers only dream of. He is one of our favorite ski testers since he hits backcountry skiing regularly.

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April 16, 2010 24 comments
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Boot Gloves for Denali?

by Lou Dawson March 22, 2010
written by Lou Dawson


I’ve been struggling with making sure my feet don’t come back in pieces from our Alaskan sojourn. The weather can be manageable on Denali in June, but then, your summit day can also involve little party favors such as a 30 below zero Fahrenheit breeze. It’s tough to keep your feet warm in those kinds of temps. Because no matter how much you punch out a ski boot, and no matter how many sock layers it then holds, you’re still talking mere inch fractions of insulation.

Think about it. In those kind of temps you might wear a parka with three puffy inches of loft, and you expect your feet to stay warm with three sixteenths of an inch? That’s why overboots are popular for arctic mountaineering.

Boot Glove by Dry Guy for backcountry skiing.

Boot Glove by Dry Guy is a clever option for colder temperatures. I'll probably bring a pair to Denali, with some modifications for climbing use.

Thing is, overboots such as the well known models from 40-Below are beautifully made but somewhat bulky for something I might only use for a few days up high. They’re also difficult to configure for Dynafit bindings, and thus might require one to use the “climb with ’em on, take ’em off to ski” method of use. That sounds like a hassle to me, but I’ll do it if necessary. Another option are the neoprene boot covers known as Boot Glove by Dry Guy. I’m currently in a dilemma about which to use, 40-Below overboot or Boot Glove, so I figured I’d do my best to configure both options then go do some testing. Today, the Boot Gloves.

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WildSnow.com publisher emeritus and founder Lou (Louis Dawson) has a 50+ years career in climbing, backcountry skiing and ski mountaineering. He was the first person in history to ski down all 54 Colorado 14,000-foot peaks, has authored numerous books about about backcountry skiing, and has skied from the summit of Denali in Alaska, North America’s highest mountain.

www.loudawson.com
March 22, 2010 24 comments
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