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Fitting Ski Boots For Denali — Today, ZZero

by Lou Dawson November 25, 2009
written by Lou Dawson

We’re using a mix of boot brands for our Wildsnow Denali ski expedition this spring. What is more, we’re not hesitating to mix different types of thermo liners with different shells. Dynafit, Scarpa, Garmont and perhaps more are all in play. Different feet, different boot shapes; intended result will be good fit for everyone.

This is serious stuff, as boots that work perfectly are essential for a successful trip. For myself, I’m playing around with fitting a pair of Dynafit ZZero for the climb, and I hope, ski descent.

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WildSnow.com publisher emeritus and founder Lou (Louis Dawson) has a 50+ years career in climbing, backcountry skiing and ski mountaineering. He was the first person in history to ski down all 54 Colorado 14,000-foot peaks, has authored numerous books about about backcountry skiing, and has skied from the summit of Denali in Alaska, North America’s highest mountain.

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November 25, 2009 58 comments
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Scarpa Skookum — State of Art Tongue Boot

by Lou Dawson November 18, 2009
written by Lou Dawson

Scarpa Skookum or nearly any other Scarpa ski boots are a terrific option if you’re considering new boots. You can check the street price here.

Despite all the hype about overlap cuff ski boots, you can’t beat “tongue” style shells for a variety of reasons. While I don’t run a lot of boots each season, I usually play around with a few pair. So another WildSnow foot toy for this winter is a brand new pair of Scarpa Skookum.

First, what’s the advantage of tongue boots?

1. In and out SO much easier. Critical when you’re putting boots on while prone in a tent, at 30 below zero, and you’re not feeling well because of the altitude.
2. For a fairly light weight, you get a stiff feel on the down. That’s of course also the detriment of tongue shells, in that they resist movement while in touring mode unless carefully optimized.
3. Easy flex tuning by swapping tongues.

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WildSnow.com publisher emeritus and founder Lou (Louis Dawson) has a 50+ years career in climbing, backcountry skiing and ski mountaineering. He was the first person in history to ski down all 54 Colorado 14,000-foot peaks, has authored numerous books about about backcountry skiing, and has skied from the summit of Denali in Alaska, North America’s highest mountain.

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November 18, 2009 49 comments
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Lou’s Denali Boots – Part One

by Lou Dawson October 30, 2009
written by Lou Dawson

 

This post is pretty funny. It was a draft that I accidentally published a few days ago. So I took it down by advancing the date, but wasn’t thinking and just advanced it a few days, so it published again this morning! It’s the post that won’t go away! I guess the Logos is speaking to me (“it’s gear review season Louuuuuuu, get on the case!”, so I guess I’ll just publish it and expand upon the subject this weekend.

Dynafit ZZero selection for Denali.

Dynafit ZZero selection for Denali.

We’re using three or four brands of boots on Denali. Eight guys, different feet to fit, different brands fit different feet. You know the drill. SCARPA will be well represented, as will Garmont. We might have a pair or two of Black Diamond in there as well, since they’re in their sophomore year with bugs worked out. I’ll be in a pair of Dynafit ZZero “Green Machines,” which fit me well and yield a nice combination of stiffness, tourability, and light weight.

My choices:

Present Dynafit ZZero, 27.5, sole length 306 (my performance fit, but too small if it got cold up there on the big one).

Choice one: Size 28 shell, 316 mm sole length, another centimeter of room.

Choice two: size 29, 326 mm sole length, two centimeters over original.

So, the deal is that I’ve got skinny ankles and skinny lower legs (actually, I’m all skinny, even my ears, but that’s another subject.) To get a good fit in most ski boots, I go with a smaller shell and punch out the toes. That way I get good ankle snugness without resorting to endless boot fitting tricks. But the weather up on Denali can get super cold in the summit regions. You might luck out and get balmy conditions, but with your feet you have to be prepared for the worst. Frostbite can damage your peds for life.

If you’re a non-skiing climber, you can just carry overboots as insurance. But using overboots with AT ski boots is a hassle. For one, you have to remove them to get into your skis (or else modify them). And overboots involve more messing around with crampons as well. So in my opinion the best ski boot strategy is to just fit them with plenty of volume, make sure they’re not too tight in the toe area, and fill the volume with wool socks, a vapor barrier liner, and a nice puffed out thermo-form liner. If this is all done correctly and you have average feet, they should be safe for below zero temperatures provided we’re dressed warmly, eating correctly, and healthy.

At any rate, Dynafit sent me a selection of boots for fit checking. On first try, it looks like the 326 is WAY too big to fit. But the 316 is still a bit narrow in the ball of the foot. So I’ve got some work to do. I’ll either stay with the 316 and do some punching, or resign myself to a winter of fitting toil and make the 326 work. It’ll probably be the 316.

BTW, key with this sort of fitting is how the shell fits your foot _without_ the liner. What I’m looking for is something like a 2 1/2 finger fit, meaning one can place the thickness of 2 1/2 fingers behind their heel with bare foot in the shell. But more, I’m looking at insulation space on either side of my forefoot when it’s in there without the liner. To get an accurate read on that, I throw a couple of generic footbeds in there to raise my foot up a bit so it’s the same as if I was inside a liner with footbed. What I’m seeing is that insulation space is limited, so I’ll have to be careful.

Lou Dawson

WildSnow.com publisher emeritus and founder Lou (Louis Dawson) has a 50+ years career in climbing, backcountry skiing and ski mountaineering. He was the first person in history to ski down all 54 Colorado 14,000-foot peaks, has authored numerous books about about backcountry skiing, and has skied from the summit of Denali in Alaska, North America’s highest mountain.

www.loudawson.com
October 30, 2009 14 comments
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Can’t Afford Carbon Fiber? Mod your SCARPA F1s

by Jonathan Shefftz October 27, 2009
written by Jonathan Shefftz
Ski mountaineering racing

Front view of finished product – or is this still a work in progress?

Unless you’re trying to win the Patrouille des Glaciers or Pierra Menta you can now make yourself a highly capable rando race boot by picking up a pair of used SCARPA F1 boots for about $200 to $250 (or buy some new) and then putting them under the knife (among other tools). Using a road bike analogy, I’d say it’s pretty similar to my humble used Klein Quantum aluminum bike with carbon fork and 105 components compared to, well, you know what’s out there.

My hand-me-down SCARPA F1 boots in a size 27 now weigh 4 lb 12.2 ounces (without any footbeds, for purposes of comparison), which is almost identical to the special “Race” version of the standard F1, except that the “Race” version is very hard to find in the U.S. even at full $700 retail. All of the following mods are feasible without any special tools or skills.

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WildSnow guest blogger Jonathan Shefftz lives with his wife and daughter in Western Massachusetts, where he is a member of the Northfield Mountain and Thunderbolt (Mt. Greylock) ski patrols. Formerly an NCAA alpine race coach, he has broken free from his prior dependence on mechanized ascension to become far more enamored of self-propelled forms of skiing. He is an AIARE-qualified instructor, NSP avalanche safety instructor, and contributor to the American Avalanche Association’s The Avalanche Review. When he is not searching out elusive freshies in Southern New England, he works as a financial economics consultant.

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October 27, 2009 17 comments
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WildSnow Reader’s Rides — Frank Konsella Dynafit FT-12 & BD Verdicts

by Frank Konsella September 14, 2009
written by Frank Konsella

For years I resisted Dynafit bindings for backcountry skiing, not due to the bindings themselves, but due to what I felt was a lack of Dynafit-compatible AT boots that would offer the downhill performance I was looking for. Last year I began skiing on the Dynafit Zzeus boots, one of many new boots aimed at downhill performance rather than featherweight uphill performance. As an added bonus, these were the first pair of AT boots I had owned with Dynafit fittings, so I knew I would finally be giving the Dynafit system a go.

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Frank Konsella is the 4th person to ski all 54 Colorado 14,000 foot peaks. He’s a skilled ski mountaineer who home bases in Crested Butte, Colorado.

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September 14, 2009 38 comments
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Garmont (Radium) Backcountry Skiing Boots — Parker’s Beta

by Paul Parker September 2, 2009
written by Paul Parker

Shop for Garmont ski boots here.

Backcountry skiing boot reviews.

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Hi all, Paul Parker of Garmont here.

Thanks for your interest in the Radium here at WildSnow.com. Your feedback is important and we listen, so I’ve been tracking the discussion here about Radium shell sizing. To help, I’d like to clarify some of the questions that have been raised and explain a bit about how our ski boot development process works.

Sole length/size: Ski boots are developed from the inside out, rather than the outside in. We don’t develop a boot to a specific sole footprint or sole length, we develop it from the internal mold, which along with other elements that I’ll explain below, then determine the sole length.

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Known as a gear designer and writer, Paul has vast experience in the ski equipment industry. Safe to say he’s probably one of the top dozen guys in the world when it comes to designing ski boots.

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September 2, 2009 68 comments
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